The videos of Marta Sibina and Albano Dante have reached the Washington Post:
There is a recent article in the WSJ talking about the possible breakup of Spain. I am surprised by how much information about what is going on here can be read in the international media. I have read the article and it summarises what happens here more or less quite well:
Sembla ser que hi ha molta polseguera pel video institucional de la Gernaralitat pel 25N. I no ho entenc. Aquest video està molt en concordància amb la visió que ens ofereix TV3 de les coses o sigui que si aquest video és una manipulació això em fa pensar que llavors TV3 també déu estar molt manipulada.
Ja fa temps que TV3 juga a favor d’una visió de Catalunya. Això se li diu fer país. Doncs a mi no em sembla malament fer país però sempre que no sigui simplement el país que uns quants volen.
Tinc por que TV3 s’acabi convertint en un Intereconomia però a la catalana. I això no m’agrada ja que és una televisió que tots paguen. La gent del PP paga TV3. la gent de Ciutadans paga TV3. La gent del PSC també paga TV3. però veient TV3 a vegades tinc la sensació que només la paguen els de CiU i algun partit que els hi fa companyia. Veient TV3 sembla com si certa gent fessim nosa!
Aquest video institucional de la Generalitat no m’ha escandalitzat perquè segueix amb la mateixa línia que hi ha a TV3.
A vegades quan passen totes aquestes coses em sembla com si hi hagués la intenció d’esborrar-nos del mapa als que no pensem com la gnet de CiU i companyia. Com si l’altra gent no fossim catalans de debó. Com si fossim simplement una nosa.
No tinc res en contra d’un estat independent però em fa por un estat governat pels mateixos que ara.
Tinc la sensació que no seria l’únic que si ens deixessin triar entre una pàtria governada pel PP o una pàtria governada per CiU o simplement una altra pàtria més d’un ens interessaríem per aquesta altra pàtria.
Potser Artur Mas aconsegueix un nou estat i si la majoria de catalans ho lolen jo seré el primer en celebrar-ho. Però si la nova Catalunya s’ha de basar en una televisió manipulada, en videos manipulats i un senyor Homs sempre menyspreant als representants de milions de persones doncs com que no m’agradaria gens una Catalunya tan manipulada.
La Catalunya actual és pobre i maltractada per Espanya però té una pluralitat que dubto que una Catalunya sota el domini absolut de CiU pugui tenir.
Si volen que Espanya faci les coses bé, que tingui en compte el que volem com podem a casa nostra tractar als propis catalans tan malament que manipulem la seva televisió.
Si jo fos part d’un partit democràtic se’m cauria la cara de vergonya que la institució en que governo faci un video que gairebé tota l’oposició porta a la junta electoral? Aquesta és la Catalunya que es vol de gran majories per anar cap a un estat nou?
CiU i ERC han quedat en evidència no oposant-se a un video que qualsevol pot veure que està superpolititzat. Aquest video és un insult a tots els catalans que no vam anar a la manifestació! Veient aquest video tan partidista me’n recordo de Bielorússia i els països menys democràtics d’Europa. Quan veig aquest video tinc la sensació que la gent de CiU s’han begut el coneixement. Primer Artur Mas diu que no va a la manifestació de l’11 de setembre però que el seu anhel està amb la gent de la manifestació. Ara la Generalitat mostra aquest video amb la manifestació. Algú s’imagina que el PP a Madrid fes servir els carrers de Madrid plens de banderes espanyoles quan va guanyar La Roja per fer un video institucional? Si això passés aquí la gent ens riuríem i diríem que a Espanya hi ha una democràcia de fireta. Si volem ser un futur estat seriós el mínim que podíem fer és tenir pulcritud democràtica … I se suposa que amb pulcritud democràtica no es fa servir un video institucional per afavorir els vots de CiU i ERC. Almeny no en una democràcia seriosa.
Potser sóc una minoria a Catalunya i al conjunt de l’estat però per mi tot no s’hi val. Jo puc comprendre que alguns desitgin molt una cosa i que pensin que els altres estem equivocats però jo crec que unes regles de joc que són independents de si depenem de Madrid, de Barcelona o de la Illa de Pasqua …
JO VAIG VOTAR és quelcom tristíssim perquè fa veure que els que critiquen tant a Espanya per ser poc democràtica i no voler deixar que decidim nosaltres mateixos no tenen cap problema en fer servir la diada de l’11 de setembre. La diada de l’11 de setembre representa la part independentista de Catalunya i per això estava plena d’estelades. I jo no tinc res en contra d’aquesta gent. De fet tinc moltes ganes que aviat tots tinguem la possibilitat de fer un referèndum o consulta i dir el que volem.
Però CiU està jugant brut. Hores abans de la manifestació de l’11 de setembre el president Artur Mas va dir que ell no podia nar a la manifestació perquè era el president de totes i totes catalanes. Però que el seu anhel estava amb la gent. Se suposa que amb la gent de la manifestació. Això ho dic perquè quan el teu president diu coses així no és pas tna estrany que una manifestació s’ompli.
Em sento com si Catalunya fos menus democràtica per culpa de CiU i algun que altre partit. No parlaré pas ara de TV3 ja que no en vull indignar més.
M’he assabentat fa poc que el PP s’apropiat del COBI i li ha posat un vestit del PP i una bandera espnayola i catalana. També veig que per promocionar l’espanyolitat de catalunya fa servir que a Catalunya hi ha molts GARCÍA y JOSÉ.
És possible que al PP siguin tan ignorants que no sàpiguen que a la majoria de països que es van alliberar de la possessiva Espanya i que ara són independents també hi ha molts JOSÉ i GARCÍA. No serà pas que el PP encara no ha acceptat que hi hagi països on es parli castellà i hagi cognoms i noms castellans i no estiguin sota el control de Madrid?
Encara que tothom a Catalunya ens diguessim JOSÉ i GARCÍA i fins i tot encara que fins i tot ningú parlés en català sinó que tothom parlés castellà també tenim raons per no voler dependre de Madrid! També els austríacs i els alemanys deuen compartir molts noms i cognoms i no per això Austria i Alemanya han de ser un mateix estat. El que ens uneixin coses a la gent de Catalunya amb gent d’Espanya no vol dir que hàgim de dependre de Madrid!
A veure si se n’adonen a Madrid i al PP que el problema que hi ha és que a Catalunya estem farts de ser maltractats des de Madrid! Què estem farts de que ens insultin dient que ens deixen diners quan nosaltres ens hem quedat sense res entre altres coses per ser tan solidaris durant dècades! ¡VIVA LA LIBERTAD! ¡VIVA LA INGLATERRA QUE RESPETA A SUS VECINOS DEL NORTE! !VIVAN TODOS LOS PAISES DE SUDAMÉRICA Y CENTROAMÉRICA CON LOS QUE COMPARTO LENGUA Y EL DESEO DE UN DÍA DE TAMPOCO DEPENDER DE MADRID. POR MUCHO QUE ME GUSTA ESTA CIUDAD. COMO ME GUSTA LONDRES.
Imagine that THE.CAT declares itself a new state. I know this sounds crazy but imagine I do. What could happen next?
Well, I imagine that nobody would care so although THE.CAT would want to declare itself independent that would not change anything.
So my conclusion is that for THE.CAT to succeed declaring itself as a new state I would need others to recognise me.
Imagine that my current state does not recognise me. It tells me that I belong to it for eternity and that I cannot decide for myself.
Imagine, however, that the rest of states recognise me. If that happened then it is obvious that the problem would be not mine but that of the state that would remain alone not recognising my independence.
Needless to say that THE.CAT does not want to declare itself an independent state. I would have not enough money to open any embassy and it would be too much for THE.CAT to be the president of the new state, the lawyer of the new state, the voter of the new state, the demonstrator of the new state, the beggar of the new state. The policeman of the new state. The soldier of the new state. The singer of the new state. I would be too much busy. Maybe that is one of the reasons why few people declare themselves its own state. Too much trouble.
Imagine now that THE.CAT has heard some people they want to create their new state. As I see that myself it is going to be impossible to create my own state I could join them. Things look simple this way but it happens that while you try to build this new state people from the current state try to stop you by all means. Should I surrender then and do nothing and let win the ones who do not respect the creation of my own castle and want me to play in their own castle.
Should I surrender to Spain or should I help Catalonia to create a new state? Who should I listen to? Those that want me to remain with them threatening me or to join those who now finally imagine a state where finally the languages are seing as something positive?
Should I remain with the ones who want to force me to be part of them or should I join those who want people to be free to decide their future? Should I be true to the ones who live in my town, my county or even in my beautiful Barcelona or should I be with those who live quite far from me? Should I accept to be a slave of people in Madrid?
I like to visit Madrid. I love Madrid. As I love Paris or London. But as I do not want to be ruled from Buenos Aires neither do I wan to be ruled from Madrid. One thing is to share a language and another is to accept a forced marriage.
I hope one day Madrid thinks why so many parts of the once Spanish empire have at some point wanted independence. If Spain gives its back to an independent Catalonia we have people from Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, Venezuela, Panamá, Costa Rica, Cuba, etc to talk to. We do not need Spain to speak Castilian! At least not this Spain!
- Vote boosts Basque independence dream (aljazeera.com)
This post is thought for those who want an answer to some of its questions and use Internet for that case. Needless to say that here you will find an answer but needless to say too that the answer may not be the one you would desire.
So should the US support Catalonia independence?
Well, at first, right now, it is obvious that the US just should remain silent. As any other country the US should wait and see …
But let’s imagine that the day comes when the world needs to know what the US has to say. Well, in this case, I imagine that the US just have to see what the EU says.
Once that said is it important to the US an independent Catalonia? Can that be good for the US? Some benefit of it?
It is obvious that if the US supports Catalonia indepence that can bring more little independence states into the European Union. Is htis good for the US? I imagine that this depends in the way this affects the EU.
Wrting this I am realizing how something that can be very important for us in Catalonia it cannot be at all important outside Catalonia or Spain.
As far as I know new states have been born in two ways: after a violent conflict or after an agreement. In the case of Spain and Catalonia it is not possible for me to imagine a violent conflict to take place as we are inside the European Union. Any violent conflict it would mean we go out of the EU at once, I imagine. And an agreement, we have not agreement right yet …
The famous marathon of New York takes place this time the first days of November. I have read that in the city where now Josep Guardiola is living they intend that the independence flag of Catalonia is seen everywhere.
Some days ago I remember one American saying that the Catalan people, if they want to get support for their new state, they should not worry so much why do they want independence and they should ask themselves why should the rest of the world want Catalonia independence?
As Barcelona is quite known in New York and Woody Allen even brought here Scarlett Johansson for a film with Penélope and Bardem I wonder why should New Yorkers would want Catalonia to be independent.
One of the few reasons I could imagine would be if the new state had English as another official language but unfortunately most of my countrymen are not so fond of learning English as I do.
Who knows, maybe is the international community that could suggest that of the English language. I think it would be perfect. Barcelona is quite a nice city and if English was also its official language it would mean that a lot of people from around the world could come to live in Barcelona.
In any case, I just would be happy if New Yorkers just supported us to decide our future. One day the Americans had to fight against the British to get its independence. Now the UK even let’s the Scots to decide its own future. Something like that I want for Barcelona and Catalonia.
- Spain votes to stop Catalonia independence referendum… (ca.news.yahoo.com)
The other day an American professor or soemthing was asked how coud Catalonia get independnece? He said that one of the ways to have an independent Catalonia is that the world wants it! Until now it seems that only people in Catalonia want that and not everybody.
So I have thought what could give an independent Catalonia to the world that could make an independent Catalonia to be very welcomed by the planet?
And this is my proposal. Catalonia, if it gets independent it will be a fruit of the European Union. Without the existence of the European Union it is difficult that we would be talking about an independent Catalonia.
So if a possible independent Catalonia is a fruit of the European Union then an independent catalonia must wear a European Union stamps that shines around the planet. And what has being making the European Union all this years: TO BRING STEP BY STEP, LITTLE BY LITTLE, THE FRONTIERS DOWN!
SO AN INDEPENDENT CATALONIA SHOULD BE THE FIRST STATE OF THE WORLD WITHOUT HAVING BORDERS!
Some centuries ago, cities used to have walls around them. Now they do not have them!
So now it is the same! CATALONIA SHOULD NOT HAVE BORDERS!
For Catalonia it should not be difficult to do so! All around it the same language is even spoken!
It may seem crazy not to put borders but are there borders between towns? Well, there are of course, but we do not seen them. The same could happen in a new Catalonia.
No borders with our neighbours! If a future Spain and France would want to put borders it would be their problem.
So,if we do not put borders, what are we doing with the new state. Well, we just collect taxes in Barcelona and we send our part to Brussels. Without having to send money to Madrid (at least directly!)
Yesterday I was promenading through a passeig (a street where you walk in the middle and you have two rows of trees) here in Catalonia when I realise that whatever my feelings about the independence or not of Catalonia I was LIVING IN CATALONIA.
I realized that whatever I was a big enthusiast of a Catalan independence or I was s strong suppporter of Catalonia remaining in Spain or even if I did not care much the status of Catalonia, well, I realized that in whatever circumstance I was living in a very special moment of history for both Catalonia and Spain.
If Catalonia was going to be independent that would mean I was born with Spanish nationality and I was going to change to another nationality. Quite a change that does not happen to everybody! A lot of people live all their live with the same nationality.
So, as I was promenading through the streets here in Catalonia I realized that even if I did not care about what was going on or I cared much something serious was going around.
And I can assure that this brought me a lot of energy because whatever it happened at the end it was obvious that there was going to be a change. In some way I saw all this as Catalonia being born again or as its last defeat. I saw that Catalonia was going to fly so high that it could end quite far awy or it could fall down too. And the fall could be quite hard.
Then as I was walking through the streets here in Catalonia I felt quite proud to be just at this moment in Catalonia. Because it was one of the few times I felt part of history (it happened to me the same the first time I got euros from the ATM) I look around and saw other people and then I realized that a lot of eyes were going to watch us! Spain may be putting us in a bad situation but it was sure that on November 25th a lot of people in Spain will be watching the Catalan results to see how much more independene vote had even increased since September 11th.
But I am not talking just about people in Catalonia dreaming about an independent state. I am talking about other people too. I am thinking about the people in Catalonia that want to remain in Spain. For them I imagine that this moment it must be very important. I am sure they have been thinking the best way according to them to stay in Spain.
So, it is not so much about feeling part of the ones who want indepence or not. It is the sense that we are in a historical moment. Now in Catalonia, I doubt there not a lot of people that are proud to contribute to a new state … or to remain inside Spain.
Let me take, for example, Alicia She is the one behind the Catalan PP. She is the one wanting Catalonia to remain in Spain in any case. For this woman now it must be a very important time for her. Not a boring time! In Catalonia I imagine a lot of people see in her in her Spanish side. But I imagine that outside Catalonia, people from her party, see in her her Catalan side. When Aznar wants a recentralization of Spain and she says publicly that she does not want to I feel that at last we all Catalan are united by defending whatever we can according to our ideas.
Some years ago I remember to have been outside Catalonia with a friend from Catalonia. When we are in Catalonia I seem to be the more Catalan nationalistic and he seems to be quite happy with Spain. Well, when we are in Catalonia we speak Castilian between us. Well, when we were outside Catalonia he asked me that we both spoke Catalan! That made me think that maybe he and I were in fact saying something and feeling otherwise. It never occurred to me to speak Catalan outisde Catalonia with him. But he wanted to show to the people outside Catalonia we were from Catalonia. I did not feel that need. So, who was more nationalistic him or me?
Another thing that I realized it is that this situation in Catalonia coul dunite people because whatever we thought it was obvious that our future was at stake.
We all know from history books what has happened in Catalonia in the last century. We know that Catalonia has alsways wanted more and more power. Anyone living in Catalonia knows that. So now, whatever one wants to remain in Spain or not, we all knew were in a part of Spain that is known all around Spain because some people here want to become independent. What has changed now is that this part now has found a voice in a main party.
Maybe I am not the great supporter of independence other are and in fact I do not know what I would vote in a referendum or consultation but I, as most people in Catalonia, want Catalonia to have its say. And in this sense I feel very proud of people around me! There is not sacred reason whatsoever, I repeat whatsoever, why we should be ruled from the city of Real Madrid and not from the city of FC Barcelona. Is it written on the stars the Barcelona and its surroundings should be ruled for eternity from a city, that even not existed, some centuries ago? The old Imperial Tarraco, the old Barcino should be ruled from a city that was just created some centuries ago? If other people around the peninsula think they should be ruled from a place called Madrid is their problem. I just want to be ruled from Barcelona. And not because I do not feel Spanish or whatever or because I just feel Catalan or whatever. It has nothing to do with that. It is simply because there is something much more important to me that anything: FREEDOM. Let Spain give me the choice to be FREE and vote about me wanting to depend from Barcelona or Madrid and I may have a doubt. But not letting me even express myself it is obvious I would prefer before to depend from Barcelona. Not because I do not like Madrid but because as Brussels will become each day more important I find upsetting to depend from so many places. Madrid, Barcelona, Brussels and Berlin is too much. With Brussels and Barcelona I think it would be much better.